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CRP
1988 Porsche 944 Engine Timing Belt - Camshaft 4 Cyl 2.5L CRP

P311-5B822DF    TB152  New

Qty:
CRP Engine Timing Belt  Camshaft
  • ContiTech OE Quality Timing Belt
  • ; Interference Eng.
  • ContiTech OE Quality Timing Belts utilize the latest in design and material technology, ensuring a quiet and maintenance free experience.
Brand: CRP
Position: Camshaft
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Vehicle Submodel Position Block Engine CID CC
1988 - Porsche 944 S Camshaft L 4 Cyl 2.5L - 2475
CRP
1986 Porsche 944 Engine Timing Belt - Balance Shaft 4 Cyl 2.5L CRP

P311-4744EAA    TB293  New

Qty:
CRP Engine Timing Belt  Balance Shaft
  • ContiTech OE Quality Timing Belt
  • ; Interference Eng.
  • ContiTech OE Quality Timing Belts utilize the latest in design and material technology, ensuring a quiet and maintenance free experience.
Brand: CRP
Position: Balance Shaft
Additional Fitment Information:
Vehicle Position Block Engine CID CC
1986 - Porsche 944 Balance Shaft L 4 Cyl 2.5L - 2475
CRP
1987 Porsche 944 Engine Timing Belt - Camshaft 4 Cyl 2.5L CRP

P311-27CF5CC    TB107  New

Qty:
CRP Engine Timing Belt  Camshaft
  • ContiTech OE Quality Timing Belt
  • ; Interference Eng.
  • ContiTech OE Quality Timing Belts utilize the latest in design and material technology, ensuring a quiet and maintenance free experience.
Brand: CRP
Position: Camshaft
Additional Fitment Information:
Vehicle Submodel Position Block Engine CID CC
1987 - Porsche 944 Base Camshaft L 4 Cyl 2.5L - 2475
CRP
1988 Porsche 928 Engine Timing Belt - Camshaft 8 Cyl 5.0L CRP

P311-10ADAEA    TB196  New

Qty:
$35.14
CRP Engine Timing Belt  Camshaft
  • ContiTech OE Quality Timing Belt
  • ; Interference Eng.
  • ContiTech OE Quality Timing Belts utilize the latest in design and material technology, ensuring a quiet and maintenance free experience.
Brand: CRP
Position: Camshaft
Additional Fitment Information:
Vehicle Position Block Engine CID CC
1988 - Porsche 928 Camshaft V 8 Cyl 5.0L - 4950
Dayco
1981 Porsche 928 Engine Timing Belt - Camshaft Dayco - Timing Belt

P311-1A485CD    95109  New

95109 , 928.105.157.00 , TB109

Qty:
Dayco Engine Timing Belt  Camshaft
  • ; Recommended Replacement 60,000 miles, Normal Driving Conditions
  • Timing Belt
  • Product Attributes:
    • : Yes
    • Construction: Std Temp/reinforced Teeth
    • Effective Length:
      • 2086
      • 82.13
    • Timing Marks: No
    • Tooth Pitch:
      • .37500
      • 9.525
    • Tooth Profile: Square Tooth
    • Top Width:
      • 0.99
      • 25
Brand: Dayco
Position: Camshaft
Additional Fitment Information:
Vehicle Position
1981 - Porsche 928 Camshaft
Dayco
1982 Porsche 928 Engine Timing Belt - Camshaft Dayco - Timing Belt

P311-1A485CD    95109  New

95109 , 928.105.157.00 , TB109

Qty:
Dayco Engine Timing Belt  Camshaft
  • Timing Belt
  • Product Attributes:
    • : Yes
    • Construction: Std Temp/reinforced Teeth
    • Effective Length:
      • 2086
      • 82.13
    • Timing Marks: No
    • Tooth Pitch:
      • .37500
      • 9.525
    • Tooth Profile: Square Tooth
    • Top Width:
      • 0.99
      • 25
Brand: Dayco
Position: Camshaft
Additional Fitment Information:
Vehicle Position
1982 - Porsche 928 Camshaft
Dayco
1988 Porsche 944 Engine Timing Belt - Camshaft Dayco - Timing Belt

P311-2B6968E    95107  New

026-0195 , T107 , 250107 , 944.105.157.04 , 40107 , 944.105.157.03 , 95107 , TB-107 , 25-91009 , TB107 , B107 , CD-107

Qty:
$12.48
Dayco Engine Timing Belt  Camshaft
  • ; Recommended Replacement 48,000 miles, Normal Driving Conditions
  • Timing Belt
  • Product Attributes:
    • : Yes
    • Construction: Std Temp And Load
    • Effective Length:
      • 1114
      • 43.86
    • Timing Marks: No
    • Tooth Pitch:
      • .37500
      • 9.525
    • Tooth Profile: Round Tooth
    • Top Width:
      • 0.75
      • 19
Brand: Dayco
Position: Camshaft
Additional Fitment Information:
Vehicle Submodel Aspiration Position
1988 - Porsche 944 Base Turbocharged Camshaft
Dayco
1995 Porsche 968 Engine Timing Belt - Camshaft Dayco - Timing Belt

P311-36F4DB7    95152  New

B152 , TB-152 , TB152 , 944.105.323.01 , 40152 , T152 , 944.105.157.06 , 250152 , 25-91006 , 944.105.323.00 , 95152 , 944.105.323.02 , CD-152 , 026-0288

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Dayco Engine Timing Belt  Camshaft
  • ; Recommended Replacement 48,000 miles, Normal Driving Conditions
  • Timing Belt
  • Product Attributes:
    • : Yes
    • Construction: Hi Temp/reinforced Teeth
    • Effective Length:
      • 1133
      • 44.61
    • Timing Marks: No
    • Tooth Pitch:
      • .37500
      • 9.525
    • Tooth Profile: Round Tooth, With Grooved Tip
    • Top Width:
      • 0.99
      • 25
Brand: Dayco
Position: Camshaft
Additional Fitment Information:
Vehicle Position
1995 - Porsche 968 Camshaft
Dayco
1988 Porsche 944 Engine Timing Belt - Camshaft Dayco - Timing Belt

P311-2B6968E    95107  New

026-0195 , T107 , 250107 , 944.105.157.04 , 40107 , 944.105.157.03 , 95107 , TB-107 , 25-91009 , TB107 , B107 , CD-107

Qty:
$12.48
Dayco Engine Timing Belt  Camshaft
  • ; Recommended Replacement 48,000 miles, Normal Driving Conditions Turbo
  • Timing Belt
  • Product Attributes:
    • : Yes
    • Construction: Std Temp And Load
    • Effective Length:
      • 1114
      • 43.86
    • Timing Marks: No
    • Tooth Pitch:
      • .37500
      • 9.525
    • Tooth Profile: Round Tooth
    • Top Width:
      • 0.75
      • 19
Brand: Dayco
Position: Camshaft
Additional Fitment Information:
Vehicle Submodel Aspiration Engine VIN Position
1988 - Porsche 944 Turbo Turbocharged A Camshaft
Dayco
1982 Porsche 911 Engine Timing Belt - Camshaft 6 Cyl 3.0L Dayco - Timing Belt

P311-4165BBF    95084  New

026-0189 , TB084 , 689909 , 13568-59027 , 25-90520 , 40084 , 95084 , 13568-54050 , T084 , 250084 , CD-084 , TB-084 , B084 , 13568-59025

Qty:
Dayco Engine Timing Belt  Camshaft
  • ; After 5/82 Interference Engine Recommended Replacement 45,000 miles, Normal Driving Conditions
  • Timing Belt
  • Product Attributes:
    • : Yes
    • Construction: Std Temp And Load
    • Effective Length:
      • 1238
      • 48.75
    • Timing Marks: No
    • Tooth Pitch:
      • .37500
      • 9.525
    • Tooth Profile: Round Tooth
    • Top Width:
      • 0.99
      • 25
Brand: Dayco
Position: Camshaft
Additional Fitment Information:
Vehicle Position Block Engine CID CC
1982 - Porsche 911 Camshaft H 6 Cyl 3.0L - 2999
Dayco
1982 Porsche 911 Engine Timing Belt - Camshaft 6 Cyl 3.0L Dayco - Timing Belt

P311-1B79657    95079  New

TB079 , 95079 , 25-90620 , CD-079 , B079 , TB-079 , T079 , 13568-59015 , 40079 , 13568-54030 , 250079 , 13568-54020 , 026-0192

Qty:
Dayco Engine Timing Belt  Camshaft
  • ; Before 5/82 Interference Engine Recommended Replacement 45,000 miles, Normal Driving Conditions
  • Timing Belt
  • Product Attributes:
    • : Yes
    • Construction: Std Temp And Load
    • Effective Length:
      • 1210
      • 47.64
    • Timing Marks: No
    • Tooth Pitch:
      • .37500
      • 9.525
    • Tooth Profile: Square Tooth
    • Top Width:
      • 0.99
      • 25
Brand: Dayco
Position: Camshaft
Additional Fitment Information:
Vehicle Position Block Engine CID CC
1982 - Porsche 911 Camshaft H 6 Cyl 3.0L - 2999
Dayco
1983 Porsche 911 Engine Timing Belt - Camshaft 6 Cyl 3.0L Dayco - Timing Belt

P311-1A485CD    95109  New

95109 , 928.105.157.00 , TB109

Qty:
Dayco Engine Timing Belt  Camshaft
  • ; Interference Engine Recommended Replacement 45,000 miles, Normal Driving Conditions Square Tooth Belt
  • Timing Belt
  • Product Attributes:
    • : Yes
    • Construction: Std Temp/reinforced Teeth
    • Effective Length:
      • 2086
      • 82.13
    • Timing Marks: No
    • Tooth Pitch:
      • .37500
      • 9.525
    • Tooth Profile: Square Tooth
    • Top Width:
      • 0.99
      • 25
Brand: Dayco
Position: Camshaft
Additional Fitment Information:
Vehicle Position Block Engine CID CC
1983 - Porsche 911 Camshaft H 6 Cyl 3.0L - 2999
Dayco
1980 Porsche 924 Engine Timing Belt - Camshaft Dayco - Timing Belt

P311-47EE683    95017  New

25-90170 , R017 , 95017 , 689904 , T-24454 , T-17 , HB017 , TB-017 , CD-017 , 40060 , 51309510 , C017 , 6404 , 05240346 , 54-72001 , 3250141 , 40017 , 9-017 , 45-00823 , L55-4405 , CD17 , TB-17 , 88017 , T017 , 5240346 , TB404 , 9144161121 , TB017 , LB17 , LB-17 , 121ZA19 , 026-0176 , 250017 , 80017 , A453L075 , B017

Qty:
$10.56
Dayco Engine Timing Belt  Camshaft
  • ; Interference Engine Recommended Replacement 45,000 miles, Normal Driving Conditions
  • Timing Belt
  • Product Attributes:
    • : Yes
    • Construction: Std Temp And Load
    • Effective Length:
      • 1153
      • 45.40
    • Timing Marks: No
    • Tooth Pitch:
      • .37500
      • 9.525
    • Tooth Profile: Square Tooth
    • Top Width:
      • 0.75
      • 19
Brand: Dayco
Position: Camshaft
Additional Fitment Information:
Vehicle Position
1980 - Porsche 924 Camshaft
Dayco
1987 Porsche 924 Engine Timing Belt - Camshaft Dayco - Timing Belt

P311-2B6968E    95107  New

026-0195 , T107 , 250107 , 944.105.157.04 , 40107 , 944.105.157.03 , 95107 , TB-107 , 25-91009 , TB107 , B107 , CD-107

Qty:
$12.48
Dayco Engine Timing Belt  Camshaft
  • ; Recommended Replacement 60,000 miles, Normal Driving Conditions, Belt Manufactures suggested replacement
  • Timing Belt
  • Product Attributes:
    • : Yes
    • Construction: Std Temp And Load
    • Effective Length:
      • 1114
      • 43.86
    • Timing Marks: No
    • Tooth Pitch:
      • .37500
      • 9.525
    • Tooth Profile: Round Tooth
    • Top Width:
      • 0.75
      • 19
Brand: Dayco
Position: Camshaft
Additional Fitment Information:
Vehicle Position
1987 - Porsche 924 Camshaft
Dayco
1988 Porsche 924 Engine Timing Belt - Camshaft Dayco - Timing Belt

P311-2B6968E    95107  New

026-0195 , T107 , 250107 , 944.105.157.04 , 40107 , 944.105.157.03 , 95107 , TB-107 , 25-91009 , TB107 , B107 , CD-107

Qty:
$12.48
Dayco Engine Timing Belt  Camshaft
  • ; Recommended Replacement 45,000 miles, Normal Driving Conditions
  • Timing Belt
  • Product Attributes:
    • : Yes
    • Construction: Std Temp And Load
    • Effective Length:
      • 1114
      • 43.86
    • Timing Marks: No
    • Tooth Pitch:
      • .37500
      • 9.525
    • Tooth Profile: Round Tooth
    • Top Width:
      • 0.75
      • 19
Brand: Dayco
Position: Camshaft
Additional Fitment Information:
Vehicle Position
1988 - Porsche 924 Camshaft
Gates
1981 Porsche 924 Engine Timing Belt 4 Cyl 2.0L Gates - PowerGrip Premium OE Timing Belt

P311-590D0E3    T017  New

TB017 , B0040017 , W11-643 , A453L075 , 40017 , T017 , TB6404 , 25-90170 , 94017 , 54-72001 , CD17 , 24-457PD , 95017 , R017 , 222-17 , 40060 , 3250141 , 222017 , TB-17 , U55-4405 , 6585902 , OHC017 , 9-17 , 88060 , B4017 , 026-0176 , LB-017 , 121LH190 , 689904 , T-24454 , CD-17 , 524034 , 017 , 13028V4000 , 250017 , 45-00823 , 51309510 , 5240346 , 4017 , 94051 , 9-017 , 19121 , TB-017 , 121ZA19 , C017 , TB404 , 056109119A , 742-P017 , TC017 , R-017 , 80017 , B017 , LB17 , L55-4405 , 74-2743-8 , HB017 , 88017 , CET17 , 9144161121 , 95017FN

Qty:
$9.18
Gates Engine Timing Belt
  • ; Interference engine application
  • PowerGrip Premium OE Timing Belt
Brand: Gates
Additional Fitment Information:
Vehicle Fuel Type Block Engine CID CC
1981 - Porsche 924 GAS L 4 Cyl 2.0L - 1983
Gates
1994 Porsche 968 Engine Timing Belt 4 Cyl 3.0L Gates - PowerGrip Premium OE Timing Belt

P311-2EEF611    T152  New

LB152 , B0152 , 026-0288 , 40152 , 250152 , B152 , OHC152 , 222152 , 94410532301 , 94410532300 , T152 , 25-91006 , TB-152 , 94410515706 , 95152FN , 45-01911 , 95152 , TB152 , 94410532302 , CD-152

Qty:
$23.36
Gates Engine Timing Belt
  • ; Interference engine application
  • PowerGrip Premium OE Timing Belt
Brand: Gates
Additional Fitment Information:
Vehicle Fuel Type Block Engine CID CC
1994 - Porsche 968 GAS L 4 Cyl 3.0L - 2983
Gates
1989 Porsche 944 Engine Timing Belt 4 Cyl 2.7L Gates - PowerGrip Premium OE Timing Belt

P311-4F1A023    T107  New

95107FN , B0107 , 026-0195 , U55-4570 , 88107 , 45-01200 , 25-91009 , 94410513703 , 250107 , LB107 , 40107 , 222107 , 95107 , 94410515703 , 117H95T170 , 94410515704 , OHC107 , TB-107 , 6589095 , TB107 , T107 , B107

Qty:
$13.81
Gates Engine Timing Belt
  • ; Interference engine application
  • PowerGrip Premium OE Timing Belt
Brand: Gates
Additional Fitment Information:
Vehicle Fuel Type Block Engine CID CC
1989 - Porsche 944 GAS L 4 Cyl 2.7L - 2688
Gates
1989 Porsche 944 Engine Timing Belt 4 Cyl 2.7L Gates - High Performance Automotive Timing Belt

P311-19AA086    T107RB  New

117H95T170 , 94410515704 , 026-0195 , 95107 , 94410513703 , 94410515703 , 250107 , U55-4570 , B107 , 25-91009 , LB107 , 222107 , T107 , 6589095 , T107RB , OHC107 , 88107 , TB-107 , 95107FN , 45-01200 , TB107 , 40107 , B0107

Qty:
$84.50
Gates Engine Timing Belt
  • ; Blue; Interference engine application
  • High Performance Automotive Timing Belt
Brand: Gates
Additional Fitment Information:
Vehicle Fuel Type Block Engine CID CC
1989 - Porsche 944 GAS L 4 Cyl 2.7L - 2688
ContiTech
1978 Porsche 924 Engine Timing Belt ContiTech

P311-12B7888    W0133-1637422  New

Qty:
$16.33
ContiTech Engine Timing Belt
  • Premium
Brand: ContiTech
Additional Fitment Information:
Vehicle
1978 - Porsche 924

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What to do with this Mechanic???

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Question From TJsage79 on What to do with this Mechanic???

After a relative passed I was given a 1984 Porsche 944 turbo. I never had any money to do anything to it so it sat for at least 3 years. It had a smoking/gas smell problem so when I got money to bring it back to life I bring it to a mechanic who says he wants to look at it first to see if its worth saving.....

He says yes and gets me for about 4,000 in brakes, front struts???, and god knows what to seal every thing up.....

I said I wanted the car in running condition and to do a full over haul so I could have a working car.....

So after 4 months of not having the car more then a day due to oil leaking and battery dying, he says he needs to re-seal all this stuff for another 1,200.....

So what the hell do I do and can I sue this bastard?

Response From Hammer Time

Sue him for what? Because you have a car that is a money pit? Unless you can prove that he charged for work that he didn't do or that he sold you work that it didn't need, he hasn't done anything illegal.

Response From TJsage79

I thought he was supposed to fix the car???? Make it drivable???? Is it proof enough that it cannot drive????

It my line of work if you pay for something, I have to deliver that job 100%...

I told him to do a complete overhaul to make it perfect again...Said do everything....

So if your plumber installs your bathroom and has done all the work???But their are leaks everywhere and you only have cold water..... Unless you can prove that he charged for work that he didn't do or that he sold you work that it didn't need, he hasn't done anything illega?

Response From re-tired

Whoa ,back up. Yes he has an obligation to repair ACCORDING to a work order signed by YOU. If you did not get a WO signed by both parties . It comes down to his word against yours. Without written documentation your only recourse is arbitration IF he agrees to it. Communication not lawyers is way out. If you think HE was expensive. ....wait and see what a lawyer gets ..........with no garantee of fix I might add.

Response From TJsage79

Being too expensive was not a problem....I just wanted to be able to drive the car.....Im not keen on the mechanic world.....Whats is the deal after dumping 4,000 into a car and not being able to drive it?

The only written contract is the recipe for the work he did, parts, labor?....

Just still dont understand how in this line of work it is often accepted to get away with partial or shoddy work.....

Response From Hammer Time

Shoddy work? Do you have any proof of that?
It sounds to me like your vehicle needed a lot more work that what you authorized to be done. You just saying that you wanted a complete, finished car when he was done isn't a specific repair. You contracted for some specific repairs. Now, if these specific repairs were not done or done incorrectly, you may have a case but just because a vehicle needs more work beyond what you paid for, does not give you any right to go after him fpr the other repairs he made.

Response From TJsage79

So I guess its my fault? just like everything else today it seems like more rights are given to people who do wrong rather then good.....So I just have to say Thats That???You tried to fix it, the 4,000 didn't address the problem, Sorry and its understandable the car is not usable.....?

And if i give him the extra 1,200, and its the same thing????

Seems like a great business......Take a job, get paid and if the job is complete or not....You are not at fault and can even ask for more money to finish the original job????....

Just seems like this is all to often in this business and very often do you come across people with the same stories...

Response From Hammer Time

Stop feeling sorry for yourself and looking for someone else to blame.... When you make the stupid decision to try to resurrect a car that should have stayed in the junkyard, that's the price you pay. Stop trying to blame everyone else because you took on a job that needed more work than your wallet could handle. Everybody wants to blame the repair shop when things don't turn out the way they had hoped. Nobody seems to blame the doctor when the patient doesn't turn out they way they had hoped. You don't get any guarantees from them when they start treatment. Your car isn't any different. You get what you pay for and if that only takes you half way to your goal, that's not the shops fault.
You should have gotten some other opinions on whether that car was worth fixing or not. Don't ask the guy that expects the business.

Response From TJsage79

So then i just have to eat it on this 1????

The money isnt a problem, it was just the resurrection of a car with sentimental value that I thought when you ask for something to be fixed, then usually it gets fixed?.

Mechanics are telling me 4,000 worth of work should have done the job,

My Stupid decision?.....When someone hires me to put in a driveway or parking lot I dont offer a prof. opinion and after the job say you should have done your research and not put a driveway on sand or a area prone to flooding....

If my Driveway is flooded or sinking I get sued...Cant say your fault for investing in it, want it fixed cough up more money....

If this happened to anyone else,,,,,Which im not aware of the mechanic world, but it is perfectly normal to accept that after 4,000 in repairs, then NOTHING???

What would U people do, sounds like I just have to accept it, move on??? For some reason thats seems wrong to me?

Response From danastanley

Sorry to butt in, but I really really really want to share my opinion on this.

To the guy with the Porsche:

I know how frustrated you are, I've been in your shoes. You should pick a mechanic like you would pick your doctor. One you understand, can relate to, and feel somewhat confident in his mechanical understanding and ability. Judging by your posts, this is not the case with your current mechanic. Having said that, remember: A mechanic's ability is his 'goods'.

Have you ever heard the phrase 'caveat emptor' ?? It is a legal term that would be applied in judging this case.
The definition of this is 'let the buyer beware.' You can read the full definition below.
_________________________________________________

Latin, Let the buyer beware.] A warning that notifies a buyer that the goods he or she is buying are "as is," or subject to all defects.
When a sale is subject to this warning the purchaser assumes the risk that the product might be either defective or unsuitable to his or her needs.
This rule is not designed to shield sellers who engage in Fraud or bad faith dealing by making false or misleading representations about the quality or condition of a particular product. It merely summarizes the concept that a purchaser must examine, judge, and test a product considered for purchase himself or herself.
_________________________________

You are probably going to read the definition and say this does not pertain to your situation.... but it does. Your 'fault' is trusting what the mechanic said needed to be done - and then signing a work order to do those repairs. Even if you sued the mechanic, if he has done what the work order says, you have no case. Bottom line, you told the mechanic you wanted one thing (the car to run/work good) yet you signed a work order that says something else (front end repairs). I don't think the mechanic is a scam artist, I think it may have been lack of communication. I am not a mechanic but I have known many of them in my lifetime, and with the exception of a very few, the majority of them are very good, honest, people.

What a mechanic sees as the worst problem and what a car owner sees may be 2 different things.

The very last sentence 'a purchaser must examine, judge, and test a product considered for purchase himself or herself.'

would be the deciding factor in a case such as this. The fact that you expected one outcome and got another would not even be allowed to be presented. Bottom line, you accepted the mechanics opinion.

My advice is this: Do not pay this particular mechanic any more money. I'm not saying he does not have skill or honesty, I'm saying his ability doesn't matter if you do not trust him. Also, you should never ask someone else if something is worth saving or worth the money - any answer is an opinion and the only opinion that matters is yours. You are on this board now because you feel slighted, if you would have researched FIRST (instead of now) there might have been a different outcome. Get your car back and start over, research possible reasons for your problems so at the very least you can make an informed decision when hiring a mechanic.

Dana

Response From TJsage79


Sorry to butt in, but I really really really want to share my opinion on this.

To the guy with the Porsche:

I know how frustrated you are, I've been in your shoes. You should pick a mechanic like you would pick your doctor. One you understand, can relate to, and feel somewhat confident in his mechanical understanding and ability. Judging by your posts, this is not the case with your current mechanic. Having said that, remember: A mechanic's ability is his 'goods'.

Have you ever heard the phrase 'caveat emptor' ?? It is a legal term that would be applied in judging this case.
The definition of this is 'let the buyer beware.' You can read the full definition below.
_________________________________________________

Latin, Let the buyer beware.] A warning that notifies a buyer that the goods he or she is buying are "as is," or subject to all defects.
When a sale is subject to this warning the purchaser assumes the risk that the product might be either defective or unsuitable to his or her needs.
This rule is not designed to shield sellers who engage in Fraud or bad faith dealing by making false or misleading representations about the quality or condition of a particular product. It merely summarizes the concept that a purchaser must examine, judge, and test a product considered for purchase himself or herself.
_________________________________

You are probably going to read the definition and say this does not pertain to your situation.... but it does. Your 'fault' is trusting what the mechanic said needed to be done - and then signing a work order to do those repairs. Even if you sued the mechanic, if he has done what the work order says, you have no case. Bottom line, you told the mechanic you wanted one thing (the car to run/work good) yet you signed a work order that says something else (front end repairs). I don't think the mechanic is a scam artist, I think it may have been lack of communication. I am not a mechanic but I have known many of them in my lifetime, and with the exception of a very few, the majority of them are very good, honest, people.

What a mechanic sees as the worst problem and what a car owner sees may be 2 different things.

The very last sentence 'a purchaser must examine, judge, and test a product considered for purchase himself or herself.'

would be the deciding factor in a case such as this. The fact that you expected one outcome and got another would not even be allowed to be presented. Bottom line, you accepted the mechanics opinion.

My advice is this: Do not pay this particular mechanic any more money. I'm not saying he does not have skill or honesty, I'm saying his ability doesn't matter if you do not trust him. Also, you should never ask someone else if something is worth saving or worth the money - any answer is an opinion and the only opinion that matters is yours. You are on this board now because you feel slighted, if you would have researched FIRST (instead of now) there might have been a different outcome. Get your car back and start over, research possible reasons for your problems so at the very least you can make an informed decision when hiring a mechanic.

Dana

And its just another way in our backwards world today when someone hands over their hard working money while the wrong people are protected. Who has time to research and make sure a pro is doing his job. Do you research your plumbing before you add another bathroom, do you research about dormers when your house is built?? Yeah maybe you scratch the surface, but you dont expect the pro you hired to say well this second bathroom you built has zero water pressure,,,,,so sorry I just built you this 10,000 bath, but you should have researched if your water system could handle a second bath. Now to fix this you will need another 10,000, and plumbers do this all the time and its called scamming the customer....

Oh nice dormer on your house,,, to bad it has to be torn down because the pro you hired....well you should have researched about zoning because he was too lose to the property line....now its 15,000 to take it down....

Backwards......

Molest children = Light sentences and then free room and board in gov motels
Illegal Immigrants= Work tax free, mostly cash, children get free education, driver li and insurance,,,NAH....tax payer money to translate everything for you.
Terrorists= Muslims build huge mosques at every site of their war victories, Turkeys huge church was converted into a Mosque when Turkey was invaded by Muslims, Isreal's temples converted into Mosques when fighting the Muslims...And now they are building a 13ft mega Mosque in the graveyard of thousands of Americans killed by Muslims at ground zero.

Im my town illegals get pulled over and the officers dont even know where to start and most are let go...its called safe haven cities where its racist to ask a person of color for i.d. Pull over a citizen and the Police tell themselves,,,,finally someone I can look up, check and give a ticket....

Completely backwards.....


Response From Sidom

What has been missed in all of this, is this was a car that has been sitting for an extended period of time. These are notorious for other areas failing after the initial repairs are made to make the car road worthy. This is just a fact of life and I have seen it numerous times.
If the original tech didn't communicate this, then he probably hasn't done many of these and while unfortunate, doesn't mean he is incompetent or dishonest. This is playing out exactly like all the sitters I've seen get put back on the road. You can expect about 5 to 6 "waves" of parts failures, minimum. Parking a vehicle for extended periods of time is hard on parts. So parts that look & test ok in the original inspection tend to fail after they go back into service and start getting used again. And as far as "completely" checking "everything" out, 1st there are no tests you can run that will predict if a part is going to fail and if there was it would be completely cost prohibitive to run them on every system, part, seal & gasket in the car.

In a nutshell you spent 4k to get the car going, that's in the ball park. Now it needs another 1200...I'm sure it does, this is the 1st wave of failures. You CAN expect 3 to 4 move waves. It's not a guarantee but the odds are very high this is going to happen with this vehicle. It's not the tech or shops fault. It's not a case on incompentency. This is a car that has been sitting you want to put back on the road and this is what happens to cars that get parked for extended periods of time...

With this info you need to make a decision if you want to continue or not. If you want to "completely" go thru "everything" to make it all new so you don't have to deal with the waves, your probably looking at 100k & a year down time minimum....

You said money was no object so those are your 2 choices. You've (hopefully) cleared the biggest hurdles already but there will be a few more to go and then you should be good for while but at the end of the day you still have an older car and with any car....parts go out.
Your other option would be to "totally" restore the car top to bottom and that would take some serious money. You sound somewhat educated in your posts....You're honestly telling me that you really thought that 4k would completely restore a Porsche from top to bottom, frt to back....EVERYTHING??? Come on guy!

If you seriously believed that, you are completely out of touch with reality in the 21st century, maybe in the 60s you could got that price. Frt brks on a Beamer for just pads & rotors is close to grand......


You have some very narrow views that are probably best kept to yourself. Actually I think I would enjoy seeing you having to do some these "lost" jobs illegal aliens are doing.

Are you really that big of an authority of the Muslim religion ? Or just judging them of the actions of a few fanatics...

So I guess you are a "true" patriot.....Someone who loves his country while hating 90% of the people who live there?

Response From TJsage79


What has been missed in all of this, is this was a car that has been sitting for an extended period of time. These are notorious for other areas failing after the initial repairs are made to make the car road worthy. This is just a fact of life and I have seen it numerous times.
If the original tech didn't communicate this, then he probably hasn't done many of these and while unfortunate, doesn't mean he is incompetent or dishonest. This is playing out exactly like all the sitters I've seen get put back on the road. You can expect about 5 to 6 "waves" of parts failures, minimum. Parking a vehicle for extended periods of time is hard on parts. So parts that look & test ok in the original inspection tend to fail after they go back into service and start getting used again. And as far as "completely" checking "everything" out, 1st there are no tests you can run that will predict if a part is going to fail and if there was it would be completely cost prohibitive to run them on every system, part, seal & gasket in the car.

In a nutshell you spent 4k to get the car going, that's in the ball park. Now it needs another 1200...I'm sure it does, this is the 1st wave of failures. You CAN expect 3 to 4 move waves. It's not a guarantee but the odds are very high this is going to happen with this vehicle. It's not the tech or shops fault. It's not a case on incompentency. This is a car that has been sitting you want to put back on the road and this is what happens to cars that get parked for extended periods of time...

With this info you need to make a decision if you want to continue or not. If you want to "completely" go thru "everything" to make it all new so you don't have to deal with the waves, your probably looking at 100k & a year down time minimum....

You said money was no object so those are your 2 choices. You've (hopefully) cleared the biggest hurdles already but there will be a few more to go and then you should be good for while but at the end of the day you still have an older car and with any car....parts go out.
Your other option would be to "totally" restore the car top to bottom and that would take some serious money. You sound somewhat educated in your posts....You're honestly telling me that you really thought that 4k would completely restore a Porsche from top to bottom, frt to back....EVERYTHING??? Come on guy!

If you seriously believed that, you are completely out of touch with reality in the 21st century, maybe in the 60s you could got that price. Frt brks on a Beamer for just pads & rotors is close to grand......


You have some very narrow views that are probably best kept to yourself. Actually I think I would enjoy seeing you having to do some these "lost" jobs illegal aliens are doing.

Are you really that big of an authority of the Muslim religion ? Or just judging them of the actions of a few fanatics...

So I guess you are a "true" patriot.....Someone who loves his country while hating 90% of the people who live there?


Of coures I knew there would be waves of failures thats why the car was put on the road right away so the guy can test drive it like im sure all mechanics do...

1,200 hundred to finish the job and maybe expect more failures......There are plenty of these cars in very nice condition going from 2,500 to 6,000. So its definitely a lost cause. But maybe they mechanic should have made sure the engine ran and did some testing before pads????

Illegal Jobs,,,,, they have been done for 100's of years before this recent influx and were given the right shots and meds from birth to secure health...Today people are fine with people serving them food without any proper health protection....and we question TB and swine flu.....

Muslim are not recent fanatics they deeply believe in text that just does not apply to present day or changing times and sickly believe they will receive virgins at death??? Thats ???And strongly do not like other religions and want Islam to be #1. Sheeps in wolves clothing we are at war on their land, they are fighting on our soil to, but in a different way that takes advantage of the weakness and ignorance of our leaders and people today who are afraid to say anything to these people.

Its not racist to want law and order, an even tax paying system, and properly medically protected children in our schools and people who cook and handle our food....If people are arguing any rights in America or complaining at all then they are in the wrong place. Cause the so called people you want to protect practically keep women prisoners of life and zero compassion on human rights....

its the wild west again

Response From Sidom Top Rated Answer

Without getting to long winded, this was the point I was trying to get across.

These failures aren't something that is going to pop up in the 1st few days.

That's the problem. The car needs to be driven and driven for a while. Basically too long & far where any shop is going to put these miles on it.

My shop has done enough of these where a job like this, it's clear up front what to expect. Basically you would've of been informed of what I posted earlier and then to drive the car. It would be best to keep it in town for the next few months until all the bugs had been worked. If a previous repair failed it would be warrantied, if it was unrelated to the work it wouldn't be covered.

Normally there is some reason attached to these cars. You even said it yourself a similar model sells for close to the original repair cost so money wise it makes no sense to fix these "money pits" up as an every day driver.
Our latest is a Toyota. The man is fixing up his son's car. He was informed of everything upfront and todate has been ok with it. I personally passed on the original ticket (18hrs)because I just don't like getting involved with those anymore. So far he has probably invested twice the cars worth. I don't know his reasons but he is fine everytime he comes in and while I have never seen his son I have seen every other member of his family (due to the numerous visits of drop off & pick ups).

It's finally slowed and we hadn't seen him for a while, he came in last week with O2 heater problems. So my SM & I are debating.....Is this still stuff from sitting or are we FINALLY back to normal pattern failures????

Point being if there isn't some kind of reason for keeping this car other than wanting this model it would be best to find a better project. As far as the tech making sure it ran good. You are right in the fact that the engine should've been in running order before doing the other work. Once the engine is running good, thats when the clock starts. You have to start somewhere. You do all your basic checks and after that you have to run it and just see what happens.
The Toyota came in non running....The tech did all the basic checks. good fuel pressure & volume, good compression, no spark. Fixed the no spark issue and got it running good. From there it got a new Timing belt & all fluids and taken for a drive. Everything sounded good and no weird noises. So the rest of the work proceeded. Tires, brks, etc.....and then was take for 2 very long drives and was good.......Guess what failed 5 miles after the car was picked up?????? The fuel pump.... My point.....It was tested and passed......This is what happens with these older cars and there are no tests to find this stuff........I won't go down the long list over the last 6 months but you can't blame anyone for this stuff.....

You have seemed to toned your comments down from the 1st post....

I won't deny that there is some problems with illegal immigration and not get into that here but you came off to me as lumping all immigrants in the same boat. You bash the Muslims for the quality of life & human rights issues. I won't debate that because I believe there are some rights issues that do need to be addressed. But apparently human rights issues don't apply to illegal aliens in your country. Just gettem outta here and do whatever. Have you seen the living conditions in their country? They are just looking for a better live for their families. It easy to pass judgment on a religion & country halfway around the world on human rights....You need to be doing this!!!! But in the same post you are kicking "humans" in "your" country to the curb with zero compassion?

Every Religion has a heaven. Maybe you are taking theirs to literal. As far as believing all other religions are wrong. I don't know your religion, whether you are Catholic or not but if your are. Aren't we all "fishers of men" and suppose to be spreading the word of God? Aren't we in the end of days right now and God is just waiting for ALL his children to be saved? Isn't it in the bible that we are not suppose to be worshiping false Gods?

Some of that stuff you said about the Muslim religion sorta sounded like it could apply to my religion as well

Response From Hammer Time

PLEASE..... let it die
No more politics

Response From Sidom

Com'on HT....That's 90% automotive with maybe 5 % politics & 5% religion..


Proverbs 27:17



Response From Hammer Time

I'm locking this thread. I've had enough of this idiot.

Response From Sidom

I'll leave it up to you HT and this probably isn't the place for a political debate so maybe it better to end it now.

The guy has some views that are different than mine and I don't agree with but some points are valid.

Response From Hammer Time

There are other forums for this crap.

Response From Tom Greenleaf

Aptly user named - go for it!

T


Response From Tom Greenleaf

I wont but bet another will. Virgins, Politics etc.

This is a car repair site free to use to anyone.

WE DON'T GET PAID - PERIOD!

You have totally experienced techs offering time for N/C!

Done!

Response From Hammer Time

OK, this is not a format for you to just rant and rave about politics or anything else you don't like in the world. The situation has been explained to you so now it's time to stop bashing shops and go solve your problem.

Response From Tom Greenleaf

Oh come on Hammer! Rant all you want!

Go fly with me!

Response From Hammer Time

He's done all the mechanic bashing he's going to do here.

Response From Peter Blake

I think your point is right. If you told him to make car drivable then he have to deliver it at first place and charge for that at that time. If the car is not completely ok and some work is not fixed how can he handover the car to you without completing whole work.

Response From re-tired

As i have stated earlier. What ezackly did your Contract (work order) call for. " Fix my car " is the same as hiring a contractor for 100k and telling him to"build me a house" with no blueprints . This industry does have a safety net thru the BBB. They have arbitration boards to settle cases such as yours . Both parties have to agree by the findings . You present your proof and the shop presents theirs. An independant expert (which i have been )will provide technical assistance to explain in laymans terms what work was done and in his opinion was it done right. The board then will determine if it was done according to the contract(WO) . I have seen the axe swing both ways . Sometimes the shop was found to have breached the contract , somtimes it came down to buyers remorse. If you feel you have a case go into arbitration and quit slandering every shop in the business .

Response From TJsage79


As i have stated earlier. What ezackly did your Contract (work order) call for. " Fix my car " is the same as hiring a contractor for 100k and telling him to"build me a house" with no blueprints . This industry does have a safety net thru the BBB. They have arbitration boards to settle cases such as yours . Both parties have to agree by the findings . You present your proof and the shop presents theirs. An independant expert (which i have been )will provide technical assistance to explain in laymans terms what work was done and in his opinion was it done right. The board then will determine if it was done according to the contract(WO) . I have seen the axe swing both ways . Sometimes the shop was found to have breached the contract , somtimes it came down to buyers remorse. If you feel you have a case go into arbitration and quit slandering every shop in the business .

Response From Hammer Time

Well stated Dana

Response From Hammer Time

the thing your just not accepting is that yes, you put $4000 into a car but the car needed $6000 or more worth of work. You said it yourself. Sentimental value. That will make you over spend every time. The car obviously never should have been repaired. That can't always be seen up front.

Response From TJsage79

I mean just on craigslist alone you can find a porsche 944 for under 3,000.......And this guy is telling me thats its worth it to dump 4,000 into it???? Every other mechanic I call now tells me its not worth putting any money into ?